I agree with Bruce, and dissagree with Sam. I think that JRuby is crucial. It isn’t crucial from “does ODEO care”, but it is from “will it be adopted widely”.
Java is not a language, it is a platform. Many companies have a lot of investment in this platform. The JVM itself is pretty darn good. It can out perform a lot of C++ code (as it isn’t compiled for the lowest common denominator), and there are lot of great tools for debugging, scaling, yada yada.
So many of our clients are invested in this platform that it is hard to move over to Ruby. This is why Groovy got a lot of buzz at the beginning. It allowed you to get to a dynamic through the back door. It was the glue for the VM.
Many people would much prefer Ruby thought of course, and having JRuby is a huge asset. Now I can use it at large clients, it can work with the Java world in a nicer way than web services or Web services. rabble from Odeo complained about the libraries. Now you have a choice of easily using a Java library that may be superior for what you are doing, and mixing and matching.
If I want to write a quick script I would much prefer writing Foo.new on a Java class and start using it compared to using darn web services :)
If Ruby is then on the JVM it will grow at a different level. It will also give you a lot more choices for libraries.
The best of all worlds. VMs are a nice abstraction. While we are talking about YARV and such we have a great VM on the other side of the fence. Rubys runtime is so darn poor, that running a top the well engineered JVMs from Sun, IBM, JRockit, …. is a great thing. It doesn’t mean that it is the only choice for Ruby, but its a great tool in the box.
I hope it can happen. JRuby is around 90% of the way, and needs a bit of help.
November 2nd, 2005 at 1:56 am
I totally agree with this statement. Furthermore, sites like RedHanded perfectly demonstrates the usefulness of this integration (see, as an example, this crazy Java+Jruby RSS reader : http://redhanded.hobix.com/bits/funkedOutJavaRubyAggregator.html).
November 2nd, 2005 at 9:20 am
You seem to be referring to other articles or weblog entries. Could you link to those so we can know what you’re talking about?
November 2nd, 2005 at 11:34 am
In 1999, I integrated PHP version 4 with Java. I was one of the primaries on the Bean Scripting Framework. Last year I worked on getting Python running on Parrot, so trust me: I very much understand how seductive this can be, but once you get past the flashy demo you will find that tooling, deployment, performance, and bugs dealing with obscure edge cases really kill you in the long run.
Just my two cents.
November 2nd, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Sam,
I have no doubts on your experience.
I have also been using some kind of scripting language on top of the JVM on projects for quite a few years.
Now Ruby, with JRuby is getting better and better and is another option on the JVM.
I see this as a great thing.
I also would be willing to bet that Ruby on Rails on JVM would bump the Rails mailing list to ~5000 messages a day from the current couple of thousand :)
Cheers,
Dion
November 5th, 2005 at 9:11 pm
JRuby has two significant problems as it see from making inroads in the corporate world:
1. The obscure edge cases. When interfacing between two languages you *are* going to run into problems in any large system. Using only Java eliminates this problem.
2. Developer skills. Sure, Ruby is a great language, but developers need to know how to use it, and how to use it *pragmatically*. A corporate isn’t going to jump to JRuby and ignore all the existing skills their developers have. By using JRuby it also means developers you employ will have to have skills in both Java and Ruby (or be trained in both).
November 22nd, 2005 at 6:06 am
Here, http://dev2dev.bea.com/blog/jonmountjoy/archive/2005/11/ruby_on_rails_e.html, I write about: I’ve just come across a scary thread on the Ruby on Rails site: stale database connection handling is rather ’suboptimal.’ Given this behaviour, why is Rails so eagerly adopted in enterprises? I surmise that lacking enterprise features doesn’t matter – Rails targets the long tail far more effectively than J2EE.
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